Wilts & Dorset - Bristol Lodekka - OHR 919 - 628
Wilts & Dorset Motor Services
1956
Bristol Lodekka LD6G
ECW H33/27R
OHR 919 is a Bristol LD6G with ECW H60RD body, new to Wilts & Dorset in 1956. In October 1972, under NBC direction, Wilts & Dorset was absorbed into the neighbouring Hants & Dorset, with both fleets adopting the (poppy) red livery. After withdrawal from normal service, it was converted for use as a driver training vehicle, in yellow livery.
There is, however, such a thing as life after the ancillary fleet, and we see it, and the original style of fleetname in the Netley rally on 8 June 2008.
Photograph and Copy contributed by Pete Davies
08/12/16 - 06:03
A lovely example of an LD Lodekka looking its best and unsullied by CBC
between decks radiators. This was my favourite style of ECW body on the LD, having the sloping edge
to the canopy (mirrored on the offside by the lower edge of the cream band above the cab), push out
vents to the front upper deck windows, upper deck cream band carried around the front, horizontal
bottom edge to the cab door window, and the ‘whiskers’ above the radiator grille. Just
wonderful. Wilts & Dorset 628 reminds me very much of West Yorkshire’s DX44-58 (RWY822-836)
delivered in 1956/57. The sound effects were different to 628’s however, as they were LD6Bs with
Bristol AVW engines, apart from DX48 (RWY826) which was fitted with a Gardner 6LX engine by West
Yorkshire in 1958.
A minor point of interest is that 628 appears to have acquired an early
F-Series Lodekka cowl at some point. The giveaway is the registration plate, which is offset to the
offside in order to accommodate the elongated hole for the revised step for crews to access the
destination winding handles. The LD cowls had a centrally-mounted registration plate with a smaller
hole and step either side of it. This minor detail does not detract from the appearance of this
beautiful vehicle whatsoever. It’s a credit to its owner.
Brendan Smith
08/12/16 - 06:04
Lovely photo, Pete.
How nice to see a Lodekka in a rich red colour,
rather than the green that pervaded most of these vehicles.
Chris Hebbron
08/12/16 - 08:37
Thank you, Brendan & Chris.
I suppose the red, being the standard
Tilling, was the same shade as Brighton Hove & District, Cumberland, United, West Yorkshire and one
or two more. Certainly more "distinguished" than what followed in NBC days!
Pete Davies
08/12/16 - 09:28
I’m sure that the Wilts & Dorset Tilling red was the same as applied to Cumberland, United, West Yorkshire, as mentioned above by Pete. I’m not so sure that the Brighton Hove & District red was the same. Although it was a Tilling company, the livery was the same as that applied to Brighton Corporation. The different application of the amount of cream (that DOES look a different shade to the others) for that fleet makes the red look a different shade - but this may be a deception. Perhaps someone has a factual knowledge.
Michael Hampton
10/12/16 - 06:37
If United buses weren’t this shade of red, they were only a kick in the
proverbial off it.
I don’t know about Wilts and Dorset, but round about the mid 60’s, United
changed the wheel colour to red. Only a handful of VR’s were ever in the traditional United livery,
but the upper cream band had disappeared.
Ronnie Hoye
10/12/16 - 10:17
Thank you, Michael & Ronnie.
Pete Davies
14/12/16 - 15:40
Lodekkas by Colour
Dear Chris,
I wondered at your statement that
green Lodekkas were in the majority, so I looked through the production table in Martin Curtis’
excellent book.
Of the 25 fleets in BTC”Tilling Group”/|THC ownership that took new Lodekkas,
13 were green; if by the time of the delivery of Westcliff on Sea’s six they wore the same livery as
their parent company Eastern National. Thus 11 of the BET/ THC fleets were not green. Two (Midland
General/ Notts & Derby) being blue and the others red or (Cheltenham District) maroon.
Within
the Scottish Omnibuses group only one fleet took green Lodekkas new, with two using blue and the
rest varied shades of red and maroon.
That equates to fourteen green fleets and seventeen not
green.
Note this is based on data as new, with one FLF going to Bristol Commercial Vehicles
experimental Department, and this was also red.
However, when the figures are totalled for
“green” Lodekkas, you are vindicated in that “green” fleets took 2945 and not-green fleets took 2271
(plus one new as a manufacturer’s test bed, giving 2272).
That is 56 per cent to forty four.
My perception was skewed by living in the East Midlands when Lodekkas were in service and holidaying
with either mother’s family in Norfolk or father’s in Northumberland…
Of the fleets
taking the most Lodekkas, first was Crosville with 539, then Bristol OC (including Gloucester, Bath
Services and Bath Tramways) with 539. Of course some of Crosville’s were new in cream with black
relief, but less than fifty if my guess is right. (I could re- read the whole book now but that
seems excessive when I promised Wikipedia a Guy Arab article around a year ago and it just needs
citations to finish.)
Eastern National was third with 381, with if memory serves 25 new in
mainly cream, so even if we had a recount on that basis it would still be a Brexit sort of majority,
rather less than the Scottish Indyref style one the raw figures give. Of course my electoral college
would give the result to not-green.
Fourth was Central SMT who took 355, initially LD6Gs then
FSF6Gs, FLF6Gs FS6Gs and from 1965-67 FLF6LX’s; of the three Lodekkas at Glasgow Vintage Vehicle
Trust’s Bridgeton Bus Garage, two are ex-Central a 1957 LD6G and a 1968 FLF6LX.
Now of the
shades of red used for new deliveries, Central it seems had the darkest, but it may have been the
same as Cheltenham District and almost certainly David Lawson. Western, Alexander (Perth City and
Kirkcaldy Town services) and Highland (second-hand) had Scottish Bus red which was darker than
Tilling red. It may be the greater areas of cream but I think Brighton Hove and District did use a
brighter shade of red than ‘Tilling’ red; maybe perversely, this was actually the same red used by
Thomas Tilling in Brighton and (pre-LPTB) London. The brightest red on new Lodekkas was that used by
Alexander (Fife) after the split of Alexander into three in 1961. The shade was Ayres red, the same
as British Road Services used. (In a former home I was able to sell Fife FRD 187 (BXA 452B) from its
non-PSV use to preservationists who have restored it.) I do not think that Thames Valley had any of
their Lodekkas delivered in the maroon and cream coach livery although some were repainted thus.
Now the English blue fleets were maybe slightly darker than the Scottish but both shades were
described as Azure blue. Lothian Green, used by Scottish Omnibuses from 1965 was probably a little
darker than Tilling green but under some lighting conditions prints of Eastern Scottish Fleetlines
made me think of Mansfield District VRTs. Prior to 1965 a light green and cream was used with dark
green mudguards and lining out.
Out of the Alexander Companies post-split, Northern received
no Lodekkas, which had been ordered for the Fife and south regions (including Lawson) and only had
two forward-entrance half cabs until 1978 when a half-dozen former Eastern National FLFs were
transferred to them.
Northern General group were as far as I can recall the only former BET
affiliate to get cascaded Lodekkas and it happened twice; both times before the corporate livery
era, some were green and some red.
More power to OBP!
Stephen Allcroft
10/05/19 - 06:53
I note the comment about the early FS style bonnet - it is from OPN 801 which was with Wilts & Dorset at the same time as OHR 919. I have a photo of OHR with the registration OPN 801 still applied before the OHR 919 plate was fitted.
Here is my photo of OHR 919 carrying the bonnet from OPN 801 taken at Barton Park, Eastleigh in August 1983.
Dave Mant
11/05/19 - 06:58
I see that the preservationists have removed the Hants & Dorset sunshade from
the windscreen to revert to the correct style for Wilts & Dorset (and everybody else).
Is
there a definitive reason why Hants & Dorset persisted for so long with their unique sunshades?
I am sure that the sun in Hampshire and the eastern part of Dorset is no brighter than
elsewhere.
Perhaps it was a union rep’s obsession that the company felt it had to concede to
avoid terrible consequences. Does anybody know the REAL reason?
Petras409
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